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Konig Des Todes · Jul 01, 2009, 12:38 AM // 00:38

The stopping was by Shiro's doing and lasted less than a decade really. Then they started up again after Shiro's betrayal and the death of their hero which they blamed the other faction as the cause.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Jul 01, 2009, 03:47 AM // 03:47

Anyways...
I THINK what he is saying is that he wants Elona and Factions in GW2, which is not lore, if anything it belongs in sardelac and even there suggestions for GW2 have there own thread, please just close his threads....

Fangclaw · Jul 01, 2009, 04:11 AM // 04:11

Cantha and Elona have had a substantial part in the article, and im assuming Anet wont make the mistake to not include them in GW2, at least as expansions.

Not bringing anything new to the point, I know. Oh well...

Konig Des Todes · Jul 01, 2009, 05:21 AM // 05:21

@Kerwyn Nasilan: Actually, what he's been saying is that they will be in GW2 - no matter what. So to speak. Meaning he is saying it's an undenyable fact. And it is true it is not lore, it would be more proper in Riverside. I think I will move it over there....

Either way, there isn't much to discuss as, well, the point has been made several times before and, in fact, there really isn't any denying that they will most likely have a role as expansions (though Winnies seems to want them in the initial game).

But yeah... it's gone off of lore now, moving to Riverside.

Winnies Bro · Jul 01, 2009, 07:20 AM // 07:20

free runner, YOURE NOT READING ANYTHING I SAY, not the other way around!
also you lot are saying that we dont know the ancient dragons are evil, true...but...whats more likely? huge ancient not-sentient(unlike glint, whos good) with "untfathomable magic"(from the wiki) also on ogdens benidection it says "And the greatest threat of all has yet to come" the cutscene shows primordus opening its eye in a scary way. im gonna go look up the vid on youtube.
kONIG TEL FREE RUNNER WHAT I WAS SAYING

pumpkin pie · Jul 01, 2009, 07:36 AM // 07:36

"Other dragons also resurfaced during the intervening centuries; one rose about the sunken holy city of Arah in the ruined kingdom of Orr, and severed the sea route between Kryta and Cantha; another arose to the south of the Crystal Desert, cutting off the link to Elona"

"In Cantha, the successor of emperor Kisu defeated the Kurzick and Luxon factions and reunited Cantha under one banner. Cantha then became much more isolationist; all non-human races were pushed out and the borders fortified. With the ancient dragon's undead corsair fleet disrupting travel, there has been no contact with mainland Canthans for a generation.

In Elona, Palawa Joko successfully rebuilds his undead army and lays siege to Elona. Vabbi is all but destroyed, its former splendor ruined by a famine caused by Joko diverting the river Elon. The Sunspears are broken by Joko's armies. The land bridge between Elona and the Crystal Desert is blocked by Joko's minions and the dragon, and the only news that slips through is carried by the Order of Whispers, who are now spread over all of Tyria. "

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Calvar Draveir · Jul 01, 2009, 07:53 AM // 07:53

@everyone but Winnie. Stop using big/intelligent words. He just skips them.

Winnie, what they're trying to tell you is that even though the Dragons might be fighting us, they might think they are fighting us for a good purpose. So, they might not be evil, but yes, we are still fighting them, since they are trying to control the world. Get it?

Second, you know how Guild Wars did not come as one game altogether when it first came out? Well each part of the game is called a campaign. Since Arenanet is trying to do the best job they can, they are gonna split the game up into three campaigns (or expansions), starting with the dragons in tyria, and then moving on to the other places. So, first you buy one, and get the Tyrian story. Then, a few months (or however long) later, you can buy the second expansion, which might be cantha, or elona.

The reason we think this is because the dragons are very close to controlling tyria in GW2, so they probably wouldn't let anyone leave to go to any other place. But after we defeat/do whatever we do to the dragons in the first campaign of GW2, we will likely be able to go to the other places.

Please read this through, Winnie, I spent 3 whole mins writing it. Hopefully this clears up any misunderstandings. PM me if you have a question.

Iuris · Jul 01, 2009, 09:13 AM // 09:13

My expectation is that GW 2 will be played in the prophecies areas only initially.

However, the storyline will have the heroes fight the dragons or at least act against them (foil plots, etc.).

I fully expect that part of that will be achieving enough progress to allow travel to Cantha and Elona, which will open up for eventual expansions.

BenjZee · Jul 01, 2009, 12:23 PM // 12:23

There obviously still there, they're just cut off from us for now. It mentions access points are just guarded or something. It will be difficult to get there and will always leave it open for more expansion packs.

I couldn't immagine us having all 3 areas on release , too spoilt i think

Nodakim · Jul 01, 2009, 12:57 PM // 12:57

Did the Searing and the destruction of Orr cause the dragons to awaken?

HawkofStorms · Jul 01, 2009, 01:28 PM // 13:28

The way I read the Movement of the World article made it pretty clear that Elona and Tyria will be in GW2, with Elona being a more elite/end game area (since that is full of undead) and Tyria being the main setting of the game (since that is where all the main races homelands are and would be the main location for any sort of race war).
Cantha looks to be cut off.

Now... why would somebody do that? For the most obvious reason, A.net would save Cantha for the first or maybe second GW2 expansion/chapter.

immortius · Jul 01, 2009, 01:36 PM // 13:36

The way the lore describes it seems to indicate they are already in the process of awakening during GW1, and that their cycle of sleeping and awakening stretches back into prehistory.

Fril Estelin · Jul 01, 2009, 02:26 PM // 14:26

Reading some of the posts (the intelligent/intelligible ones?) makes me think that we may be overanalyzing the GW2 information that we have so far, in particular the Movement of the World one. There are 3 books coming, I bet Anet will take a clean slate on a lot of stories and start afresh. No doubt that there'll be plenty of connections to GW1 lore, but my bet is on a brand new setting which we can't really see from the bits we have so far.

As Konig said, talking GW2 is pure speculation leading to expectations grounded on flimsy information. It's like discussing the reasons why Windows 7 (or Obama) will be or not be successful. Let's wait the first book and see.

Mordakai · Jul 01, 2009, 02:35 PM // 14:35

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Reading some of the posts (the intelligent/intelligible ones?) makes me think that we may be overanalyzing the GW2 information that we have so far, in particular the Movement of the World one. There are 3 books coming, I bet Anet will take a clean slate on a lot of stories and start afresh. No doubt that there'll be plenty of connections to GW1 lore, but my bet is on a brand new setting which we can't really see from the bits we have so far.

As Konig said, talking GW2 is pure speculation leading to expectations grounded on flimsy information. It's like discussing the reasons why Windows 7 (or Obama) will be or not be successful. Let's wait the first book and see.

Agreed.

We don't even know how "expansions" will work for GW2, will they be downloaded content or paid for Chapters?'

So in a way, Winnie could be right that Cantha and Elona are part of the "first" story, if they are simply added as an update later that year.

On a side note, I feel bad for Winnie. I get the feeling he (she?) is just very excited about GW2 and can't understand why everyone is "hostile" to him (or her).

I would advise Winnie to just read for a bit, absorb, then post. Don't post every thought that comes to your head, chances are, its already been discussed. You have to remember GW2 was announced 2 years ago, there has been LOTS of discussion in the past 2 years, that's why people might seem annoyed.

Winnies Bro · Jul 01, 2009, 03:08 PM // 15:08

He not she. yay you believe me... sort of!
The reason i think all 3 current continents will be included in the base game is because the storyline of gw2 includes the entire world. evryone seems to think that just because we dont know that the dragons will awaken in cantha and elona and that they are cut off means that they have practically nothing to do with the story. also anet said that the story of gw2 would have story archs rather than just one huge story so the cantha/elona story could be as big as/is the same/ect.
konig and others said that cantha will be very unimportant in the storyline because at the moment we know of no trouble in that location; we know that emperor whatshisname who is the new emperor defeats the luxons and kurzicks and forces all non human races to leave cantha, anyone we disagrees; bye bye! they are sent away from cantha to tyria(they are not killed by the undead dragon and his minions cos they go to tarnished coast/muguuma jungle instead of kryta, that is how we know anything about cantha.
writing that made me think... from the way the canthan part of the movement about the emperor was written in was like they didnt just kill off all the non humans, they just...made them leave and fought them off... the question is, where did they go??? prehaps to the south of cantha, makes for a whole new continent and story! btw, all non-human races including TENGU, they are sentient, unlike all of the other non-humans of cantha(i think).
The tengu wouldnt be happy about that... perhaps they have a plan, a new civilisation and their own huge land... prehaps they wage war against the humans... perhaps they are a playable race!!!!!!!
I know this doesnt really say that cantha and elona wont be expansions but i just think that they will be part of the main game.
Mordakai, i am a boy and i do read all the posts then i post as you said and i dont just write anything i say. people shoudlnt be annoyed just because people have talked about hw2 before cos their is lots to discuss!!!

Fril Estelin · Jul 01, 2009, 03:30 PM // 15:30

You are inventing your own storyline. Wait until the three books are out...

Konig Des Todes · Jul 01, 2009, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

free runner, YOURE NOT READING ANYTHING I SAY, not the other way around!
also you lot are saying that we dont know the ancient dragons are evil, true...but...whats more likely? huge ancient not-sentient(unlike glint, whos good) with "untfathomable magic"(from the wiki) also on ogdens benidection it says "And the greatest threat of all has yet to come" the cutscene shows primordus opening its eye in a scary way. im gonna go look up the vid on youtube.

Possibly a misunderstanding. The Dragons do cause destruction. They are "bad guys" to us (at least initially). Nothing says they are unintelligent. Nothing says they are evil. Just the antagonist (that would be who we fight).

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kONIG TEL FREE RUNNER WHAT I WAS SAYING

Tell him yourself.

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Originally Posted by Nodakim

Did the Searing and the destruction of Orr cause the dragons to awaken?

Unknown. Possible. Despite the 50+ years since the Searing since the first Ancient Dragon (Primordus) woke up. I'd say it is possible that they, and other worldly events, woke up the Great Destroyer, which woke up Primordus. And Primordus waking up caused the others (indirectly) to wake up.

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

The way I read the Movement of the World article made it pretty clear that Elona and Tyria will be in GW2, with Elona being a more elite/end game area (since that is full of undead) and Tyria being the main setting of the game (since that is where all the main races homelands are and would be the main location for any sort of race war).
Cantha looks to be cut off.

Now... why would somebody do that? For the most obvious reason, A.net would save Cantha for the first or maybe second GW2 expansion/chapter.

Personally, I agree that Tyria and at least some of Elona could (and possibly will) be in the first game. They made Cantha more of "no access" and Joko more of "threat once the dragons are dead/mostly dead" by how I understood it.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

The reason i think all 3 current continents will be included in the base game is because the storyline of gw2 includes the entire world. evryone seems to think that just because we dont know that the dragons will awaken in cantha and elona and that they are cut off means that they have practically nothing to do with the story.

No one has said that...

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

konig and others said that cantha will be very unimportant in the storyline because at the moment we know of no trouble in that location;

No I never said that. I said they will not be in the game initially - that means at the beginning, or start. This is why Free Runner said you only take parts of what you read.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

they are sent away from cantha to tyria(they are not killed by the undead dragon and his minions cos they go to tarnished coast/muguuma jungle instead of kryta, that is how we know anything about cantha.

Wrong, that happens before the Orrian dragons wakes up. They head to Kryta. and the dragon blocks off the maguuma and tarnished coast as well (unless you go way west - which is off the map currently).

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

writing that made me think... from the way the canthan part of the movement about the emperor was written in was like they didnt just kill off all the non humans, they just...made them leave and fought them off... the question is, where did they go???

Was said - Kryta. If I remember correctly, Kryta is now a refugee nation for both humans and non-humans. And those that were chased off (and I think the emperor also killed some, the others fled) also seemingly went to Elona. If I remember correctly. Also, Cantha is used for the name of the empire, and the continent - just as Tyria is the name of the continent and world. So there may still be some non-human sentient races on the continent, just not in the empire.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

prehaps to the south of cantha, makes for a whole new continent and story! btw, all non-human races including TENGU, they are sentient, unlike all of the other non-humans of cantha(i think).

Also includes Naga, Yeti, and Dredge.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

The tengu wouldnt be happy about that... perhaps they have a plan, a new civilisation and their own huge land... prehaps they wage war against the humans... perhaps they are a playable race!!!!!!!

Being territorial, they wouldn't be happy about that. However, creating a war from the south, you're just making things up.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

I know this doesnt really say that cantha and elona wont be expansions but i just think that they will be part of the main game.

Highly unlikely for Cantha. It would be a very very big game if so. Say, combine all four games we currently have. You are basically wanting that as the initial game.

Sure, I'd like that too (especially if it was minimal maps), however it would not be beneficial for business and would possibly mean adding on 3 more years for the development of GW2 from the estimated date of end of 11 beginning of 12 - which would mean 2015 if all three continents are added. More or less.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

Mordakai, i am a boy and i do read all the posts then i post as you said and i dont just write anything i say. people shoudlnt be annoyed just because people have talked about hw2 before cos their is lots to discuss!!!

And all that "lot" has been discussed almost to the point where people decide what each and every word means.

Just wait for the three books to come out before posting more on GW2. Please. Save yourself from a possible ban and from being flamed and called a troll. (and take some writing lessens, walls of text is annoying, especially with bad grammar)

Mordakai · Jul 01, 2009, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

He not she. yay you believe me... sort of!
The reason i think all 3 current continents will be included in the base game is because the storyline of gw2 includes the entire world. evryone seems to think that just because we dont know that the dragons will awaken in cantha and elona and that they are cut off means that they have practically nothing to do with the story. also anet said that the story of gw2 would have story archs rather than just one huge story so the cantha/elona story could be as big as/is the same/ect.

Oh, I think Cantha and Elona will have influence over the beginning game. There will be hints and refugees, etc, all setting up the "expansions" or whatever they will be.

Most of us just think to include all 3 continents from the beginning will be TOO big. There are so many story arcs that can take place on Tyria.

My guess the "elite" area of the first part of GW2 will be Orr, with all those ancient Orrian relics we've been dying to see!

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

writing that made me think... from the way the canthan part of the movement about the emperor was written in was like they didnt just kill off all the non humans, they just...made them leave and fought them off... the question is, where did they go??? prehaps to the south of cantha, makes for a whole new continent and story! btw, all non-human races including TENGU, they are sentient, unlike all of the other non-humans of cantha(i think).
The tengu wouldnt be happy about that... perhaps they have a plan, a new civilisation and their own huge land... prehaps they wage war against the humans... perhaps they are a playable race!!!!!!!

We could get into a whole discussion of "sentient" vs "playable." In Elona, for example, we know the Hekket are sentient, we overhear them talking! But I doubt the Hekket will ever be a playable race... but I could be wrong! I never thought the Charr would be playable either...

Are the Wardens sentient, for example? I think they are.
http://eu.guildwars.com/gameplay/cantha/the_wardens/

I know many people want to see Tengu as a playable race... again, probably as an expansion race when ArenaNet releases the Cantha update.

I will probably be easier for Anet to create new Races with each expansion, rather than new Professions. But this, of course, is all speculation with no evidence, just my thoughts.

Winnies Bro · Jul 01, 2009, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

You are inventing your own storyline. Wait until the three books are out...

So what if i am? Its possible if not probbable. i couldnt be bothered to wait...

Konig Des Todes · Jul 01, 2009, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

My guess the "elite" area of the first part of GW2 will be Orr, with all those ancient Orrian relics we've been dying to see!

Quite possible. Which would mean the Orrian Dragon would be the last to die lore-wise, as elite areas are usually based after the game.

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

We could get into a whole discussion of "sentient" vs "playable." In Elona, for example, we know the Hekket are sentient, we overhear them talking! But I doubt the Hekket will ever be a playable race... but I could be wrong! I never thought the Charr would be playable either...

Are the Wardens sentient, for example? I think they are.
http://eu.guildwars.com/gameplay/cantha/the_wardens/

I know many people want to see Tengu as a playable race... again, probably as an expansion race when ArenaNet releases the Cantha update.

I will probably be easier for Anet to create new Races with each expansion, rather than new Professions. But this, of course, is all speculation with no evidence, just my thoughts.

Currently unconfirmed-to-be-playable cultured races:
Centaurs
Tengu
Dredge
Mursaat
Seers
Naga
Heket
Skree Harpies
Frogmen
Grawl
Forgotten
Undead (not really a race, but sentient and cultured)
Warden (not really a race, but sentient and cultured - also possibly extinct by GW2 time)
possibly missed some

I'd rather not get into a discussion on why all those could or couldn't be playable. >_>

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

So what if i am? Its possible if not probbable. i couldnt be bothered to wait...

Doesn't matter if possible or probable. You're making it up. Here, let me join you.

The Losaru Centaurs will join up with the Velderunner Centaurs - after being joined together in slavery by Palawa Joko - and escape to Heket and Skree lands. There, the Hekets and Skree put aside their who knows how long old rivalry and join with the Centaurs and the few remaining true sunspears along with the Order of Whispers and fight against Palawa Joko.

Just as logical as what you said, much shorter, and completely unlikely.